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bad news, don. >> what? >> for all the ladies. some men, i suppose. >> i was going to say some gentlemen as well. >> who were holding out hope for perfection. we're sorry to report that george clooney is officially off the market. >> we're going to have details about his ceremony and photos and a lot more coming up in our next hour on "cnn tonight." next hour on "cnn tonight." which starts right now. >> we'll see you in just a few moments. good evening. top of the hour. cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. it's 11:00 on the east coast. in virginia could it be the big break police have been wait forget? they say at rest of a suspect in the disappearance of a university of virginia student has led to a development in the death of a female college student from five years ago. do they have a serial killer on their hands? >> we're learning new details tonight on the scuffle that resulted in a police officer
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getting shot in ferguson, missouri where tensions have been running high again. >> and hollywood's most eligible bachelor gets married in a ceremony that's fit for hollywood royalty. and what do we know about george clooney's new wife? >> or italian royalty as well. >> yeah, it's jut royalty all around. global royalty. we have pictures to show you ahead in this hour. but first we begin in virginia. an arrest in the disappearance of hannah graham, the university of virginia student, will it help solve other cases and help solve that case? police say the arrest of jessie matthew has resulted in a significant break in the death of a young woman in 2009. >> so let's talk to some people who've been following this very closely. jane velez-mitchell, anchor of jane velez-mitchell on hln. judge at ex. former police officer and former florida circuit court judge. also koi bear-foot, the host of inside charlottesville and a professor at the university of virginia. jane, i'm going to start with you. first, bring us up to speed on the new developments.
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>> well, they found a forensic link. that's what authorities are calling it. between the suspect in the disappearance of hannah graham and the murder of morgan harrington five years earlier. and remember, morgan harrington, according to her parents, her bones were shattered, and they described the killer of their daughter as a violent, sadistic man and a monster and said a monster is amongst us. now, we don't know if -- >> what's a forensic link, though? do we know? >> well, i think it's dna. the reason i say that, and i can't say for sure, that's all they're saying is, is a forensic link. but the reason we're saying that is there was mystery suspect dna that was found on morgan harrington's remains. that mystery suspect dna linked up with a rape that occurred in 2005. a woman 26 years old, unidentified, was abducted and raped. she also had the same mystery suspect dna. she survived to help police with a sketch. the sketch looks in my opinion very much like -- >> you think he's a serial
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killer? do you think he is? >> i think that we have to have it play out in court, but if this forensic link pans out, yes, i think he could be at the very least a serial rapist, a killer, and possibly if hannah graham doesn't turn up alive a serial killer. >> is the sketch from the rape? >> yes. that is the sketch. and if you match it with the picture, mug shot or video of jesse matthew, i believe there's a lot of similarity. and you have to remember that in 2007 there's a photo taken of him when he was a cab driver. he does not have the dreadlocks. and so his resemblance is more in tune. but if you look at the mustache, you look at the beard, there's definite similarities there. >> coy, you did an incredible piece. it was an entire timeline of jesse matthew and what he was up to in the hours leading up to hannah graham's disappearance. what did you learn about him? >> i had the opportunity to speak with a number of people
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who were with mr. matthew that night that hannah graham disappeared. people who were partying with him in the bars and restaurants here in downtown charlottesville moments before he met up with hannah graham. and what i learned is that his behavior that night for everyone who was with him was troubling, it was aggressive. he really made young women nervous. they left bars and restaurants. and i want to share something with you now that has not been published. i haven't even put it on my website. but i got confirmation tonight that there were a group of women that he was hitting on at one of the bars that night, all of whom moved to the other side of the restaurant and got into a booth to try to get away from him because they said he was so creepy and he was creeping them out, putting his arms around them, touching their hair, touching their face, touching their legs. one young woman with whom i spoke said she finally had to curse at him and say "don't put your f-ing hands on me."
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now, that was about an hour before he ran into hannah graham down here on the mall. >> and jane velez-mitchell has been saying the same thing here, that he was very handsy in the bar that night, right? that same reaction you're hearing. >> and the sense that we get, again, this is a big if. this man deserves his day in court. is that he was living a double life. allegedly. he was working in the hospital as a patient technician. he was a volunteer assistant football coach. he was well loved. he had friends. he was popular. he was a big teddy bear according to some people. there may be a case of community member by day and predator by night. >> we'll see. judge alex, listen to morgan's mom and her reaction. >> we always had it on the horizon that someday there would be an arrest and it would introduce a whole set of its own challenges and i've always said i'd be happy to deal with that when it happened. and it's here now. i didn't want him to be found in this way.
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but i can accept it because i fought vigorously just like morgan did that night. i fought vigorously to prevent him from killing another person. or taking another person. >> it's so awful. judge alex, if police now say there is a forensic link, we don't know what that is, what does it mean? what do you think police found? >> i agree with jane. i think the greatest likelihood is it's going to be dna. because first of all, you remember that they linked the harrington case, the one involving morgan harrington back to another rape and kidnapping that involved another girl back in 2005. they linked those two together. so now linking him to the harrington case through the absence or missing situation with miss graham kind of links him to all three. and the most logical evidence for that would be dna. not fingerprint because they
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could have gotten his fingerprints at any time. the dna, they would get upon his most recent arrest. that being the case it doesn't bode well for him because dna is very, very powerful evidence. as you know, don, it can exclude everybody on the planet except you in some circumstances. so that makes it a lot harder for the defendant if they have a good dna match on him. and my heart goes out to the family of morgan harrington because as parents we know, you know, we wish we could protect our children their entire life and at some point we just have to let them go and there's nothing more tragic to any parent out there than the disappearance of their child or in the harrington case the death of their child at the hands of somebody as evil as this. >> and the not knowing. john walsh always talks about that. what a particular hell on earth that is. coy, i want to ask you because they call this area, you know it well, the route 29 corridor where a spate of young women have been killed or gone missing
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and police have theorized that perhaps there is a serial killer on the loose. have they connected the dots for you in terms of if they think this jesse matthew is connected to all of them? >> well, we could go back to 1996 and alicia showalter reynolds, who was abducted from route 29 north of charlottesville and her body was found about 15 miles away. there's a string of these things going on for years. is jesse matthew involved? i don't know. i think the investigators are doing amazing work. but they want to make sure that they have the right guy. this investigation is slow. it's deliberate. it's meticulous. and give props where it's due. they are doing incredible work. you know, i started this morning here in charlottesville standing in the rain watching search helicopters go back and forth over carter's mountain and even thomas jefferson's monticello and the sun slipped behind the
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blue ridge mountains tonight and hannah graham is still not home. and i want everyone that can hear me to know that this community is absolutely committed to doing whatever we can do to find hannah graham and make sure that she gets home to her mom and dad. >> judge, you have been talking about protecting children, you and jane. it's tough to protect children. but what can college campuses do to protect students even better? >> i think college campuses try to do everything they can. they're somewhat reactive. but it's kind of hard to predict where the next attack is going to come from. we saw that horrible event in virginia years ago and then they started with text alerts all over the country on college campuses when there was a gunman on campuses and things like that. what can you really do in a situation like this where off campus, you know, in the middle of the night after having some drinks, nobody really knows what happened but it appears if anybody knows what happened to miss graham, and i'm certainly avoiding saying she's deceased
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because eyre all hoping she's alive and will be found, it clearly happened off campus and at a time when the campus couldn't do anything. but i think what they do so far, giving alerts, notifying when there's a threat on campus, having all the students who have access to the texts, which is everybody, be notified immediately, they're doing the right thing. and we unfortunately only learn after a horrible event, option that we could take, and that isn't very comforting. >> judge alex, coy, jane, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> up next we'll go to ferguson, missouri where there are developments in the shooting of a police officer. and the newest clinton makes her debut. >> look at the flash bulbs. >> will her arrival influence hillary's decision whether to run for the oval office?
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people have been walking up and down the streets, mostly gathered just here either right on the corner of the police department or on the other side of the street in the police
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department, chanting different types of things, talking about shutting the city down if they don't do something about the department, its relationship with the black community here. certainly the tensions still exist here in ferguson and they've been that way since august 9th when michael brown was shot down, unarmed teenager shot down by a white police officer. alis alisyn? >> and you have new information on the shooting of a police officer over the weekend. what do we know tonight? >> reporter: here's what we can tell you. we first want to be very clear with law enforcement saying this has nothing to, do the shooting of the police officer, nothing to do werefrom their perspective with the protests or any kind of retaliation because of what happened to michael brown. but what they are telling us tonight, a source in the department saying the police officer actually was shot in the arm after confronting a suspect who had a gun pointed at the officer's chest. the officer then swiped the gun away. the gun went off hitting the officer in the arm. the officer was actually left-handed. the shot hit his left arm, and
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so he reached with his right arm, pulled out a gun, and tried to shoot at the suspect, but the suspect ended up running away. police do not believe he was shot. and he is still at large at this hour. police still looking for a suspect. not much of a description for that suspect either. >> and sara, what of the koreasy details of that incident is that as i understand it the police officer was wearing a body camera. we've spoken so much about whether or not police should be equipped with bod yarmz. b but it wasn't turned on. >> reporter: that's right. we asked specifically the st. louis county police department, who was looking into the case, investigating the case, and they said actually, the officer did have his body cam on and as you know, a couple of companies donated those cameras after the michael brown shooting to the ferguson police department. all of the officers are supposed to be wearing them when they go out on patrol. he indeed was wearing his camera. but when asked, we asked the st. louis police department, the
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county police department, and they told us, well, it just wasn't activated, he had not turned that camera on. there are a lot of questions about exactly what the policy is. one of our sources telling us that the policy he followed, that he did not have to turn it on because he wasn't engaged with the public at large. another source from the city, an official telling us actually they were surprised that he didn't turn that camera on, especially in a situation where he was alone in a very dark area behind a community center. that is where the shooting happened. so a lot of confusion and we're trying to get our hands on that camera policy at this point in time here in ferguson, alisyn. >> yeah, because it's really only affected if it's on. so sara, thanks so much for the update from there. appreciate it. >> want to bring in captain ron johnson of the missouri highway patrol. he is keeping everything safe there. we just saw sara sidner out in the streets. how has the scene there in ferguson been over the last 24 to 48 hours? especially in light of what
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happened. >> it's been up and down. there have been some positive points and there's been some negative points. peaceful times and some hostile times. >> we were watching on saturday night as people were out in the street and they became upset at the situation that happened. and the officer was shot. take us back to saturday night. what happened? why were people so angry and so many people were out in the street? >> we had some people who put out some false rumors that a young man had been shot and killed by police. and that's been part of our issue. we've had some leaders in our community that put out false information that was untrue. the crowd became agitated. they thought a young man had been killed. they were upset by that. i arrived scene and informed the crowd that an officer had been shot. and i was -- to my surprise there was no concern when i said an officer had been shot.
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it was more so relief that a suspect hadn't been shot and it was an officer. >> mm. we know more now about what happened in the shooting. sources tell cnn the suspect had a gun and the officer was pushing the suspect's gun away from him and pulled out his own secondary weapon. as sara sidner was saying and shot the suspect. is this random violence or is it in any way related to the earlier turmoil? we're hearing that it's not, but do you think it's related to that at all? >> no, i don't. i think it's random violence. i think the officer was checking the back of a building. the suspect had entered the building. i think it's random violence. i think it would be unfair to say it was a part of the protesters. >> but as you concede, anything can spark outrage and can spark confrontation there. as you said, some false information was given out. that sparked some outrage. and if this happened, a police officer shot, that can spark some violence as well.
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so i'm sure there is a concern. so let's talk about those cameras, which many people think should be on all the time, especially when ferguson is going through what it's going through now. in the case of this shooting it's not alone. are there people that are there that are angered about this and about the cameras not being on even though they have them? >> i'm sure there are some people who want some clarity on what that policy is. i do not know what that policy is. the ferguson pd would be the agency that would define the policy. but yes, people are going to expect it if we're going to wear cameras or we're going to have cameras on our vehicles and our person that they are on and they are activated. what good is it. let's move on and talk about the president now. he was at the congressional black caucus dinner on saturday night and this is what he had to say about the situation in ferguson. >> i won't comment on the investigation. i know that michael's family's here tonight.
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[ applause ] i know that nothing any of us can say can ease the grief of losing a child so soon. but the anger and the emotion that followed his death awakened our nation once again to the reality that people in this room have long understood, which is in too many communities around the country a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. >> a gulf of mistrust. does it still exist between local residents there and law enforcement? >> yes, there is a sense of mistrust. i do think that we have to start taking tiny steps toward that trust. we have a long way p to go. and i would agree with the president on his statements. >> how is morale there for law enforcement? >> it's tough. morale is -- our officers are
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standing strong and they're brave men and women. but it's been tough here. they've gone through a lot. their families have gone through a lot. and once again, like i've said, we are a good profession. are we perfect? no. but we're good. and we have men and women dedicated to making this community better. the officer shot saturday night was acting making our community safe and almost lost his life. so morale is tough. it's really hard to look so many officers in the face and you can see it in their faces. i have not heard an officer say that i don't want to be assigned to this detail, i'm not willing to come back. and so we continue on and we'll make it through this. >> thank you. captain ron johnson, missouri highway patrol. we appreciate that. almost two months. still. >> incredible that still tonight there are protests. it just keeps sort of like a snowball. you know, there are new things
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that happen. >> we're keeping a close eye on it. on saturday night i couldn't believe it, it's like there are -- i was watching the live feed from home, and i said this is -- i hope this doesn't become a repeat of the big demonstrations, the big protests that happened last time. at least the violent part of those protests. >> absolutely. and tonight it seems as though that has not happened. up next we will talk about police tactics that are now being used in ferguson in the wake of michael brown's fatal shooting. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach.
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for the latest unrest in ferguson highlights the issue of police tactics and protocol not just in ferguson but really all around the country. joining us now is shawn king, the author and founder of "justice," and kevin jackson, the executive director of the black sphere and the black conservative coalition. marc lamont hill, cnn political commentator. marc, i don't know if you caught, that but when captain johnson said the crowds that were out there were relieved that a police officer was shot rather than a suspect, what did you make of that? >> well, i'm not sure if that's true or not. i respect captain johnson. i think when the crowd is wound up thinking that a young man was shot, particularly in the wake of michael brown, i think
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there's a certain amount of anxiety. when they hear it's an officer i think it might have been more about learning another innocent young man wasn't shot. i don't think the crowd was cheering a police officer was killed. being on the ground in ferguson for a while never got the sense anyone was hoping anything bad happened to police they just didn't want anything bad to happen to more young men. >> you're on the ground there. are you surprised there would be sullivan rest weeks, even a month, almost two months after michael brown was killed in the violent protests that erupted? >> not at all because this didn't seem like purely a reaction to one incident. this seemed to be a reaction to a broad range of problems in the town and also there hasn't been an arrest, there hasn't been a full report from the grand jury. i think until there's some sense of resolution there will continue to be outrage. >> in the past african-american communities needed to stop poingt the finger at police. do you think that's the problem in ferguson? do you they'll stastill stand b? >> yeah, i do. and i want to go back to what marc said earlier. captain johnson didn't say that
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they cheered that the cop was shot. what he said was there was no reaction to the cop being shot. and at a human level you would think if a police officer got shot people would say is he okay? there was no reaction to that. so marc was completely off his game -- >> i think he said they were relieved -- >> no, he said they were relieved. >> as far as what's going on in the -- >> no, he said they were relieved. >> well, essentially what he was saying was no one had concern for the cop being shot. that's it. and that's exactly what the problem is in the black community. we need police in our communities the same way all communities need police, and there was no sympathy for this cop being shot. so yes, it is part of the problem. >> go ahead, shawn. >> that's very inaccurate. yeah, it was very inaccurate. there were hundreds of people on the ground and for him to even say he had an understanding of how everybody felt, i saw tweets go out right away from leaders who were right there who felt bad that anybody was injured at all. and so it's really misguided. but i think even deeper than that, you really have a
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fundamental misunderstanding of how deep the level of distrust for police is in st. louis. and this deep history not just in st. louis but in ohio where john crawford was killed or in new york where eric garner was choked and people don't really have any trust that justice is going to happen. i frankly believe the police even in this case are covering up just some of the fundamental details. they said that he was killed 35 feet from the suv. but we went there and measured it. and the police were fundamentally told a lie where mike brown was killed over 100 feet away from the suv. >> kevin, why are you -- why are you laughing? why are you smirking there when he says that? >> i'm smirking because every time i come on one of these and do an event, a hit like this somebody brings up anecdotal information about oh, well, there was this one incident here, one incident here. the police interact with black
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people thousands if not hundreds of thousands of times a day. and you get the one anecdotal incident and suddenly there's all this call to arms. look, there are -- >> kevin -- >> it's not an anecdote. >> kevin, let minimum finish and then you guys can jump in. >> yeah, exactly, let me finish. my point is very simple. there are hundreds of thousands of interactions with cops. occasionally they go bad. it isn't always great. and you know what? we feel for those families. but the problem is we take a situation like this that guys like shaun and whomever, and they want to make it bigger than what it is. look, these guys have a difficult job to do. let's help them do it. >> shaun? >> yeah, fundamentally, don, if we had a case, for instance, where we learned that someone was wrongfully executed by the government, that someone was convicted with the death penalty and executed there would be an outrage. and what we see basically is case after case of black man
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after black man being executed by the police. they are playing judge, jury, and executioner. and then doing everything they can to cover it up. and then there's no justice to compensate these families, where they just have to go home and just accept the reality that an officer killed your son if your john crawford or killed your dad if he's eric garner and there's no reciprocating justice. and so it's incredibly frustrating. and my best educated guess is that the anger's not going to die down anytime soon until there is justice. >> i want to get marc lamont hill in there. >> two quick points. one, skechb resisting the idea of anecdotes. but what captain johnson offered just a moment ago was an anecdote and he used it to support his argument that black people don't care about the well-being of police. that blooirz an anecdote. there were hundreds of thousands of people down there who had a different anecdote than can'tn johnson. i think we need to look at data and data suggests to kevin's point that every interact between police and black people
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isn't -- but it happens routinely enough that it's a problem. if you look at every study of who gets pulled over, of who gets arrested, of who gets charged, who becomes the victim of extrajudicial violence and killing in particular you see that black people are overrepresented. so we either have to say that black people are really poorly behaved around police or perhaps there's some negative relationship between police and communities. and i think the answer might be we need to have a conversation about all of those things. but i don't think we should dismiss this as something that's marginal or irrelevant. this is a significant problem that occurs nearly every single day in our communities and it's worth covering because black people are worth protecting. >> i have ten seconds left, kevin, to respond to that. because you're not buying any of it. >> i would love to see marc provide evidence of every single day. things happen. these are very few and far between situations that get overblown by guys like him. >> all right. marc lamont hill -- >> check the mxgm report on the extrajudicial killing of black men. >> kevin jackson, marc lamont hill, shaun king 37. >> we need to talk about this shocking story.
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an unthinkable crime in this country. a man is accused of beheading a woman at his workplace in moore, oklahoma. alton nolen refers to himself as ja'akeem yisrael on his facebook page which is filled with screeds against the u.s., images of osama bin laden and a beheading. but is this terrorism? joining us to debate this is ben ferguson, host of the ben ferguson show. mel robbins, cnn commentator and legal analyst. and cnn's marc lamont hill is back with us. great to have you here. mel, is this terrorism? >> absolutely. that's exactly what this is. and i think it's important to call it that for three reasons. the first one is if we don't draw a very clear line between terrorists that are committing
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these kinds of acts and the vast majority of muslims in this world that are peaceful and that are also horrified by this kind of stuff, then you're creating problems for the law-abiding, the peaceful muslims that -- >> of course. of course. and i'm sorry to interrupt you. but what makes this terrorism? rather than just a deranged crazy person killing a co-worker. >> beheading. >> there are two reasons what makes this terrorism. first of all, there are substantial pieces of evidence that link this guy to the beheadings that have been happening overseas. just a week ago there was a 42-minute-long video that was put out calling for lone wolf attacks. we don't know if this guy saw it or not. but alisyn, you know what we do know? he had posted beheadings on his facebook page. he had posted about osama bin laden. he had posted about the twin towers burning. he had posted about the statue of liberty burning. >> not just posted. >> he had also quoted from the koran and --
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>> not just -- he didn't just post it. he advocated for it. he encouraged it. he was supporting the acts of terrorism. there were 500 people last year alone that were killed in what we refer to as workplace violence. guess how many of them involved a beheading. zero. that's another reason why you know that this is an issue of terrorism. >> so it's the act. it's the act -- >> absolutely it's the act. >> if he had shot somebody it wouldn't be terrorism. >> well, it depends. if you look at major nidal hasan, for example, at ft. hood when he's screaming "allahu akbar" as he's blowing people away, you can pretty much say that's probably an act of terrorism as well. >> not probably. it is, ben. >> well, he is. but my point is it's pretty simple to know what his intent was there. and the same way with this one. you have a guy that was looking at isis and isil, posting about isis and isil, he recently posted on his facebook page that
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america is wicked, wake up muslims. and he goes in and beheads a helpless woman that he did not apparently know because she was the first one he could get his hands on to behead. that is terrorism. and if we don't call it that, we're the ones that are idiots. >> so marc lamont hill, in other words, people don't need -- whoever the suspect is doesn't need to be taking orders from isis necessarily. they just need to be affiliated mentally, their mindset needs to be with isis in order for it to be terrorism. marc, go ahead. >> i reject that idea. similarly i reject the idea that a beheading as such means it's terrorism. that's absurd. people behead for all sorts of reasons, all of them disturbing, all of them disgusting. but the act of beheading per se does not make it terrorism. now, the question of whether this person had a religious connection to islam is an interesting one. and a necessary one to ask. but again, because someone is muslim and they commit an act of workplace violence that doesn't necessarily make them a
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terrorist -- >> that's not -- >> this isn't workplace violence for crying out loud. i mean, come on. >> do me a favor. you will i'm asking -- >> watch all these videos, marc. what is the down side to calling this terrorism? what is it? that the fbi and the federal government are going to admit that we've got a problem? >> amen. >> i'd be happy -- >> the war on terror also includes the internet and the fact that they are recruiting people and asking people to do things -- >> i hear what you guys are saying. >> now let marc respond. >> i just want to be able to make one claim before you guys interrupt me. first of all, terrorism is the use of violence to advance a political, ideological agenda. there's no sense here based on what the law enforcement experts say that he was attempting to advance an ideological or political or even religious agenda. it sounds to me like a deranged person who was muslim who killed somebody at work. the reason he engaged in workplace violence according to him -- >> marc -- >> hold on, ben. according to him the reason he engaged in workplace violence had nothing to do with advancing a religious agenda. he called himself -- >> marc. >> he hasn't spoken yet.
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>> he called him jah'keemyisrael. which is a hebrew name. he had jesus christ tattooed on his chest. this guy has mental issues. >> there's no doubt. but anybody out there that's beheading people including isis fighters, they all have mental health problems. they're beheading children, for goodness sakes. >> correct. >> that's not normal. but it's also in the category of terrorism. and more importantly than that, why is it that we are -- i have to beat my head against the wall for you to act as if you don't want this to be what it is? there's no reason to downplay the magnitude of what this is. isis says we want lone wolves. isis says go out and behead people. this guy is advocating for that on his -- in his own words. but you don't want to believe it when he posts it on his own page for his legacy. >> what i think -- >> on facebook. no, i don't want to accept he's a terrorist. he's a terrorist. >> ben, what about the fact, alisyn, that just a couple weeks ago after the two americans were beheaded you had algerian terrorists following suit and kidnapping a french climber,
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beheading him? now, they weren't, quote, affiliated with isis but they had seen the videos. they then made a note that they were doing this because they support what isis is doing. you've got australia that had the largest terrorist attempt foiled, a group of loose folks that were affiliated with isis -- >> and they called it terrorism. >> -- not taking direct orders -- >> here's what -- >> those are terrorist actions -- >> those aren't terrorist attacks? it's ridiculous. >> i don't think you that need an e-mail from isis for it to be terrorism. i don't think you have to pledge allegiance to isis for it to be terrorism. >> posting to your facebook page isn't enough? >> no, what i'm saying is it's possible for there to be psychotic copycats. psychologists and criminologists talk about people who will see a vitamin act somewhere and they will replicate that behavior but it doesn't mean they're doing for the same ideological or political aim. and to be a terrorist you need one. >> you're obviously overlooking reality and the reality is there could be people that actually speak for themselves on their own social media pages that
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claim and advocate for terrorism, support terrorist acts, post videos of beheadings, say america's wicked, wake up muslims, and for some reason, and i don't know why, it really does make me crazy, i don't know why you won't accept that as terrorism -- >> i'll tell you why. ben might have an answer for you. ben and marc, i have an answer because it's not just the four of us that are groping for some sort of definition. the fbi has a different definition than the state department has. >> that's very true. >> than the white house has. we actually as a country have not clearly defined what constitutes terrorism. but we will take that up tomorrow night for a different night. guys, thanks so much for this debate. it's always interesting. ben, mel, marc, i appreciate it. >> pleasure. >> everyone, stay with us. don has something to say. >> coming up, he's officially off the market. sorry, ladies and gentlemen. but george clooney ties the knot in italy. we're going to talk about his hollywood-style wedding next. >> ooh, goody.
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we are back, and they are back. ben ferguson, mel robbins, and marc lamont hill. got to bring them in twice, they were so good. marc, ben, and mel, just in case anyone was under a rock this
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weekend, confirmed bachelor george clooney was married to british lebanese amal alamuddin in venice, italy on saturday. was this a blow to bachelors everywhere? i'm sorry, marc, take it. >> i was shocked that george clooney was married for lots of reasons. >> like what? >> he didn't seem like the marrying kind. >> is that right? >> yeah. >> that's because he was messing with little -- >> that is pc. >> no. >> you know, starlets and -- >> exactly. >> and this is a woman of substance. >> that's exactly right. and i suspected that he would not go this route. but he did. and i think it's a disappointment to many people, including tabloid folk who may finally stop speculating about all sorts of stuff that's really not our business. >> mel, does this give hope to fabulously accomplished, stunningly attractive women everywhere? >> well, there is an incredible article that went viral that
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basically read that, you know, this accomplished london barrister had married an actor. and they turned it on its head. and i think it's really important to note that george clooney had the class to say he was marrying up. and he's right. this is a woman that speaks three languages, graduated from oxford and nyu university with a law degree. she practices in london. she practices in new york. she represented illustrious clients including the wikileaks guy. she is renowned in terms of her legal prowess. she's obviously gorgeous. and you know, for a woman like that to marry a stoourp actor, you're right, it does give hope to women everywhere. but more importantly, you guys that are only acting out there, you might -- >> penelope cruz. mel, she looks like penelope cruz. but ben, i have to ask you this. >> yes, she does. >> am i wrong? am i the only one who's just looking at boat going man, i want that wooden boat? >> that's exactly what i said. i was like i want a chris craft.
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it made me want to go get married again just to do it in a boat like that. like that's amazing. somebody said it this weekend. i thought the best way. they said how did she get him? it brings a whole new meaning to being at the right place at the right time in a man's life. he was finally i think kind of ready for this. he'd sowed we hope all his wild oats. zmou he's chilling on a boat, playing it up, living it up for the crowd. >> to mel's point, how did he get her? she is the one who is truly -- they're both impressive. >> come on. >> look, they are both really impressive. she's as impressive as he is. >> do you guys love convenient snis i love venice but i can take three days of it and i need -- >> see, that's rich people problems, man. >> clooney has said he'll never have a baby but i doubt it. >> i guarantee you you could take two weeks of it in that boat. >> in that boat i would take a lifetime of it. >> there you go. >> let's get to the other baby. can we show them coming out of the hospital?
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that's our royalty, right? >> that is our newest royal baby. a new little clinton. even though that's not her last name. >> is this too much? do you think? >> no. i'm happy for the clintons. i'm happy they have another person who'll be president in the next 45 years. the attention on babies to me sometimes is a little much. i think parents should have time to bond with their kid. and at some point the kid is not going to like this attention when they look back on all of it. give people some breathing room. i think it's too much. >> what you were saying, ben? >> i love it. i love it because this is the first picture of bill and hillary clinton that hasn't been staged in probably 20 years. so let's enjoy it. >> you think that wasn't staged? you think that wasn't staged? >> no. but i'm saying, i'm talking about without their handlers talking to one another like i'm going to hold chelsea's hand and you're going to hold the other hand. >> all right, guys. >> we're done. >> mel, marc, ben, thanks for all the fun. >> we're not bringing them back.
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a million dollars to raise a child. child care can overwhelm a family's finances. but this week, cnn hero is relieving some of that burden. >> i love being a mom. it's the most rewarding thing i've ever experienced. on the flip side, the financial burden of having a child is just tremendous. so many people have such an abundance. and so many others strife to afford even the basics. >> all right. who wants to water? >> i remember reading an article. and it was about a mother who decided to give her child up for adoption because she couldn't seem to hear her crying from hunger. here's the baby book. >> i just thought that no mother should be faced with that choice. that's when i decided that i needed to do something. i started to collect excess baby
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gear, and that was when moms having moms was born. >> boys clothes are to the right. girls clothes are to the left. >> we have drives at our storage space, we like to call them shopping days, they're essentially shopping, just not paying for it. >> i've been out of work for about ten months. new clothes, diapers and wipes are a constant expense. it was hard to afford the things i needed for my kids without an income. the things i got today will allow me to put that money toward my rent or my bills. >> every child deserves a fair start. and if what we're doing helps bridge the gap between people from different backgrounds even in a small way, it's definitely worth all the hard work. >> very nice. what a great service. it is really expensive to raise a child. chelsea clinton better get
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ready. >> i think she'll be okay, though. >> i think she will. >> we will announce the top ten heroes on thursday on new day and cnn.com. that's it for us. thanks for joining us. cnn's coverage continues with rosemary church and errol barnett. good to be with you. >> i'm errol barnett, and we are your anchor team here for the next four hours. get comfortable. a big welcome to those of you watching in the u.s. and all around the world. coming up this hour, a live report in hong kong. a mass protest continues there for a fourth straight day. demonstrators are preparing for a police crackdown. plus isis fighters close in on a key city on the border

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